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"The consumption of sucralose, a commonly used artificial sweetener, is associated with various adverse health effects. Despite being considered safe following previous studies, recent research suggests possible links to systemic inflammation, metabolic diseases, disruptions in gut microbiota, liver damage, and toxic effects at the cellular level"

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10971371/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37246822/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10971371/#B7-life-14-00323

Lots of studies regarding the toxicity of sucralose at the cellular level are popping up now. 2601:243:E07F:5F80:9C68:7ACB:B62D:7503 (talk) 20:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2601:243:*, in wikipedia "Biomedical information must be based on reliable, third-party published secondary sources, and must accurately reflect current knowledge." Per WP:MEDRS, a wikipedia content guideline, acceptable sources include "review articles (especially systematic reviews) published in reputable medical journals, academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant fields and from respected publishers, and guidelines or position statements from national or international expert bodies. Primary sources should generally not be used for medical content, as such sources often include unreliable or preliminary information; for example, early lab results that do not hold in later clinical trials." Your proposed sources should be avoided because https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37246822/ is a primary source and the the other 2 sources are from MDPI, a publisher with questionable reputation. JimRenge (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gut biome: Additional information on health effects

There are several different sources claiming possible adverse effects or changes on gut biome. This information should be added to the page to deliver a more accurate picture of the possible effects on the human body. For example: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6363527/ 81.109.135.173 (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The gut biome is a subject of primary research which does not satisfy WP:MEDRS. The source you provided is 6 years out of date for such lab studies. Read the topic sections above. The first sign of any change in science or policy on sweeteners like sucralose will be statements by EFSA or the FDA, neither of which has shown any concerns about the safety of sucralose in the public food supply. Zefr (talk) 22:12, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

removed misleading reference to the caloric value of SPLENDA

The article purported to show the caloric value of sucralose but the number referenced (3.36kcal/g) is in fact from the nutrition facts of SPLENDA packets. SPLENDA contains "bulking agents" that add bioavailable calories that are not available in sucralose. I have removed that reference. YetAnotherBunny (talk) 06:43, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's not clear why your revision and source here make the introduction clearer for the common encyclopedia user, i.e., the FoodData Central source is relevant to how people consume sucralose, and the FDA source treats Splenda as sucralose. The caloric differences between commercial Splenda and pure sucralose are discussed in this section which could be expanded with information from the Nutrition Reviews article, if warranted. Zefr (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People, myself included, also consume sucralose in ways that are not splenda. If an organization treats sucralose and splenda as the same thing, it is clearly in error.

The edit was not meant to be clearer, but rather to remove a factual error. I think that's more important than clarity.

YetAnotherBunny (talk) 10:41, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also think it doesn't matter whether people consume sucralose mostly via splenda or not. Those are two different substances and an encyclopedia should not treat them as equivalent. YetAnotherBunny (talk) 10:50, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do you or anyone in the general public "consume sucralose in ways that are not Splenda"?

The USDA nutrition information and FDA guideline are published and acknowledged as general sources because Splenda is how most people use sucralose.

Propose a change of text for the statement you want to make, with a specific WP:RS source. It has to be clearer and more specific than the one mentioned in my reply above. Zefr (talk) 15:31, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People consume sucralose in soft drinks that are not related to Splenda (which is a brand). The article itself notes that Splenda is 99% maltodextrin and only 1% sucralose and it doesn't matter how people consume it.

I don't have the inclination to follow your instructions. We can either leave the article wrong, or you can un-revert my edit, or you can make your own. I'm not interested in producing an edit to your requirements. YetAnotherBunny (talk) 19:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]